John Cleave has over 15 years' experience in learning design, including early work with Roger Schank where he focused on learn by doing and goal-based scenarios - design approaches close to our hearts at Kineo. His company, Experience Builders LLC, has build a simulation tool that looks to make simulation design more rapid through a templated approach (we review the tool here). We talked to John recently about all things GBS, gaming and rapid.

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